Coffee 8:12 Thu Jan 21
Litvinenko report out today
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The first and only known incident of nuclear murder on British soil. This has been such a toxic (yes) affair and it will be very interesting to see the direction the public enquiry's report takes. It's been nearly 10 years since his death, two and a half years after ministers decided not to go for a public enquiry and a year after the court-ordered enquiry began.
This whole thing is full of smoke and mirrors. Will the enquiry conclude that direct responsibility lies at the highest levels of the Russian government? Circumstantial evidence seems to suggest that it does, but is there enough proof?
My guess is that the report will say that there is a strong case to lay responsibility at Putin's door, but not enough evidence to proceed further than that. Expect a few weeks of political bluster before things calm down in the wake of another 69 year-old celebrity's death.
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Chigwell
8:16 Thu Jan 21
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I doubt that the name Putin will feature in the report's conclusion. After all, reports commissioned by the Government are to kick delicate issues into touch, not to establish awkward truths.
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Coffee
8:22 Thu Jan 21
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True, Chigwell. But remember that the government tried to avoid this public enquiry in the first place.
If the report's a whitewash, there will be loud accusations of cowardice. And the Kremlin will sit there with a big grin on its face, feeling free to repeat.
If it makes a direct accusation, fuck knows what could happen.
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goose
9:03 Thu Jan 21
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We had a talk at work from the chap who ran the investigation into this. It was one of the most interesting and shocking things I've ever heard. Scores more people will die because of what those pair did. Three times they tried to poison him and in doing so have likely poisoned hundreds of others.
The second time the dropped the polonium while trying to mix it in a hotel room. Months later when they checked the room it was still one of the most radioactive sites they've ever witnessed.
The tea pot he drank from that finally killed him still had hundreds of times the lethal dose when they discovered it.
Shocking stuff.
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Coffee
9:04 Thu Jan 21
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goose - it was the hotel bathroom, wasn't it?
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Sven Roeder
9:06 Thu Jan 21
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I would happily see all Russian assets in London (including Chelsea FC) seized and held until compensation for this state terrorism is received.
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bruuuno
9:13 Thu Jan 21
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Total whitewash, just like that poor bastard in the suitcase who was also murdered by the russians
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bruuuno
9:14 Thu Jan 21
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...it's sad what we have become
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Hammer and Pickle
9:22 Thu Jan 21
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It's not just the radioactive polonium though.
The whole European Parliament is toxic with right wing extremist groups funded and inspired by the Kremlin. They spend most of their time derailing any market deregulation policies they can, like in the case of recent digital market legislation bills.
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goose
9:29 Thu Jan 21
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Yeah it was Coffee. Idiots dropped it in the bath. They poisoned him the first time in an Itsu restaurant and that would have killed him eventually. 3rd time they put it in his green tea, he had two sips and put it down because it didn't taste great. Those two sips gave him hundreds of times a lethal dose.
He went home and was ill and said to his wife he felt the same as he had in November (first time they poisoned him).
Polonium is the most lethal substance known to man. Good luck to anyone who had tea in that hotel.
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Russ of the BML
10:40 Thu Jan 21
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Do you actually think Putin and the Kremlin will be bothered if they are accused of any wrong-doing in the report.
Putin blatantly attacked the Ukraine in full view of the whole world. I am sure an allegation from an enquiry report won't stop him riding horses through a river on bare back with his top off.
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Hammer and Pickle
10:53 Thu Jan 21
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While I agree with you Russ, Putin is a compulsive covert operations user, as the hybrid nature of the war in Crimea and Donbas demonstrates.
We might also start on what's been taking place in Syria since 2012, but I'd be all day rowing with rabid right on here, and I ain't got time for that now.
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Eddie B
11:14 Thu Jan 21
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So Putin 'probably' had him killed then. Anyone not all that shocked by this?
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JONESY
11:16 Thu Jan 21
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not a pair of bollocks in sight.
total waste of time and money.
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Miller
11:17 Thu Jan 21
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This was 'probably' a waste of fucking time and tax-payer's money.
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Coffee
3:31 Thu Jan 21
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Press release just now:
At the request of the Foreign Secretary, Philip Hammond , the Russian Ambassador Alexander Vladimirovich Yakovenko was summoned to the Foreign Office this afternoon to meet the Minister responsible for Russia, David Lidington.
A Foreign Office Spokeswoman said:
The Minister set out the UK Government’s deep concern regarding the findings of the independent Litvinenko Inquiry report. He made clear that the Inquiry’s conclusion concerning the Russian State’s probable involvement in this murder was deeply disturbing, demonstrating a flagrant disregard for UK law, international law and standards of conduct, and the safety of UK citizens. The Minister said that this would further complicate bilateral relations, undermine trust, and damage Russia’s reputation internationally.
This was a reminder of why the UK had introduced a series of steps to respond to Russia in 2007.
Mr Lidington reiterated the UK Government’s demand that Russia cooperate with the criminal investigation to ensure that the suspects could be brought to justice and face trial in the United Kingdom.
The Minister went on to underline that it is unacceptable that Russia has not complied with the Crown Prosecution Service’s formal request to extradite Lugovoy. The British Government did not accept that the Russian Authorities were unable to find a means do this.
Mr Lidington concluded that the UK Government’s immediate demand was for Russia to provide answers to the questions raised by this report, to account for the actions of the Russian intelligence services in this case, and to provide an assurance that a similar crime would not be repeated.
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Russ of the BML
5:51 Thu Jan 21
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That press release is such a load of shit. I bet Putin is quivering.
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riosleftsock
5:58 Thu Jan 21
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Its not a crock of shit.
Even the Russians choose English courts for their lawsuits as they know they are fair.
It marks Putin's Mafia-style operation in the Russian Government as an international pariah.
I'm sure I read that the volume of polonium they carried could have killed thousands. Fuck knows whether it got into our water supply and what damage it has done.
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Russ of the BML
6:20 Thu Jan 21
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I think it is.
Basically says to Putin the UK are very disturbed and concerned that he may be involved. And that he has ignored our laws....If he was involved, that is.
It may also mean the UK and Russia are not friends in the future.
The Uk think it's not fair Lugovoy hasn't been extradited.....But he may not be involved anyway, we're not sure.
The Uk would like to know what you think of all this.
Now, you won't do it again will you?
Waste of fucking time.
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,
6:22 Thu Jan 21
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What do you think UK government should do Russ?
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Russ of the BML
6:24 Thu Jan 21
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, 6:22 Thu Jan 21
I don't know.
But I didn't agree to spend millions on a fucking investigation that would end up proving fuck all we didn't already know and that would mean literally fuck all to Russia and Putin.
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